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Standards using non web safe fonts?

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Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Zim » Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:46 pm

I usualy stick with web safe fonts, but would like to know the standard for embeding non web safe fonts in a webpage,
i have seen a few methods around, but i do not fully understand why some things are being used.

any links would be of great help, or if anyone would be kind enough to explain things to me it would be great.

Thanks.
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Andy » Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:51 pm

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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Zim » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:07 pm

Andy wrote:http://nova-group.se/test/fonts/


thanks andy, looks good, allthough i had a few problems with converthing the otf to a ttf, then trying to finda way to make a svg, managed to make a eot, but it didnt seem to work in ie.

weird.
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Andy » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:07 pm

Well, you got links to TTF to EOT and TTF 2 SVG converters at the bottom of the page.

You could always use FontForge to convert fonts (with the exception of EOT).
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Zim » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:29 am

Andy wrote:Well, you got links to TTF to EOT and TTF 2 SVG converters at the bottom of the page.

You could always use FontForge to convert fonts (with the exception of EOT).


Thanks andy will check these out.

Don't you love it how Microsoft like to go against what everyone else is doing.
Is there any reasoning behind them using .svg?
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Andy » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:36 am

Zim wrote:Don't you love it how Microsoft like to go against what everyone else is doing.
Is there any reasoning behind them using .svg?


:?

They're not. They're using EOT (Embedded OpenType), their own format.

Webkit (Safari, Chrome) and Presto (Opera) based browsers are the ones that will use the SVG font. This is explained on the page I linked you to earlier.
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Zim » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:42 am

Andy wrote:
Zim wrote:Don't you love it how Microsoft like to go against what everyone else is doing.
Is there any reasoning behind them using .svg?


:?

They're not. They're using EOT (Embedded OpenType), their own format.

Webkit (Safari, Chrome) and Presto (Opera) based browsers are the ones that will use the SVG font. This is explained on the page I linked you to earlier.


Ah ok, thats what you get when you skim over things whilst working.

I must look pretty stupid now.
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Jova » Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:40 am

Andy wrote:http://nova-group.se/test/fonts/


So is this the best practice or recommended way to use non web safe fonts?
I'm assuming this means using fonts that most people don't have installed on their machines?

And what is @font-face? Where does that come from?

Is it in general okay to use use non web safe fonts? There are alot of nice fonts found on this site. :D
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Andy » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:08 am

Jova wrote:And what is @font-face? Where does that come from?


http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-fonts/

Jova wrote:Is it in general okay to use use non web safe fonts?


Well, yes. This is the first time ever that all the major browsers support remote fonts.
You have a support table on the page.
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Jova » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:14 am

So is it okay to use a non web safe font for an entire website or should you keep them to only certain elements like <h1> or <p> or such?
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Andy » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:28 am

Jova wrote:So is it okay to use a non web safe font for an entire website or should you keep them to only certain elements like <h1> or <p> or such?


You can do it for the entire page if you'd like. Here's an example of a website that did exactly that: http://diveintohtml5.org/
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Jova » Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:41 am

Okay! Thank you!
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Jova » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:45 am

I'm not understanding the procedure entirely. Am I supposed to have the font in all these different formats and stored within the website project? In the root folder or a custom one?
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Andy » Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:02 pm

Jova wrote:Am I supposed to have the font in all these different formats


There's three formats. and yes.

Jova wrote:In the root folder or a custom one?


Wherever you want it to be. Just as long as you link to it from the CSS file.
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Re: Standards using non web safe fonts?

Postby Jova » Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:25 pm

Can I get some help on installing ttf2eot in Vista? :(
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