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[Dieter Schneider]

Just wondering how many of you guys still doing hacks to make sites work in IE6? I decided to quit doing this at the beginning of 2009.

[m00min]

Since IE6 still has something like a 20% market share I'm still doing hacks. That said most of my layouts work fine in IE6 anyway, just have to tweak form spacing and PNG fixes.

[ViVi]

We still working on that, including PNG transparent and javascript.

[Linda]

Of course. Although it's not so much "hacks", just seperate css files. And some png alpha image loader... ok so there's some hacking invloved.

I'm currently working for a city council and almost a quarter of our users still use IE6. In fact, the most used browser is IE6. Followed by IE7. Of course I wish it wasn't so, but ignoring the reality is not an option.

[Dieter Schneider]

The most anoying thing in my opinion is the PNG fix since I love to use png-24.

[Linda]

The most anoying thing in my opinion is the PNG fix since I love to use png-24.

Yeah me too. Hopefully with IE8 out some more people will update... My hotmail account has gotten many emails urging me to update at least (I keep ie6 around for testing purposes).

[m00min]

Yeah me too. Hopefully with IE8 out some more people will update... My hotmail account has gotten many emails urging me to update at least (I keep ie6 around for testing purposes).

Unfortunately the only way I can see most people giving up using IE6 is if sites like Google, myFace, etc force the issue by not working with it. It's got to come from these large sites. Not us little guys building websites for small/medium and occasionally large but mostly not well known businesses.

[praj]

Even their hands are tied.. A lot of ppl do not upgrade thinking "what works shouldn't be messed with".. We have had a couple of clients who want the site to work with IE6 more than anything else..

it's highly frustrating, but when the client demands it, there's not much you can do..

[Andy]

If by hacks you mean write cross-browser CSS, then yes.

[Tarvalon]

Absolutely we still support IE6 - browser market share statistics are simply too high to drop support. I don't see how anyone can get away with not supporting the browser to this point for any sizable clients.

[Dieter Schneider]

If by hacks you mean write cross-browser CSS, then yes.

No. I mean IE6 specific problems like these: http://css-tricks.com/ie-css-bugs-thatl ... very-time/

And how do you get those transparent PNG's to work with "cross-browser CSS"? You need to add some workaround for IE6 (including javascripts) or else it will look like a disaster. Or you can exclude the PNG's but it will still be a workaround.

[Andy]

No. I mean IE6 specific problems like these

After a while you get a knack over what works and what don't. Utilise what does work, keep away from the thing that don't (until IE6 goes away).

Also:

• box model works fine in IE6. Add a doctype so you end up in standards mode and your problems will go away.
• There is no "stepdown". The guy simply can't code:
  

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  #menu {
   margin: 0;
   padding: 0;
}
#menu li {
   background: #600;
   float: left;
   list-style: none;
   text-align: center;
   width: 130px;
}

#menu a {
   color: #fff;
   text-decoration: none;
}


And how do you get those transparent PNG's to work with "cross-browser CSS"?

Firstly, an image isn't CSS.
Secondly, IE handles PNG fine. It's PNG-24's alpha channel it can't handle. As I've said multiple times on the forum already, PNG-8 works just fine under IE6. PNG-8 will be displayed with boolean transparency in IE6 and can be enhanced with full-fledged alpha transparency in more capable browsers. If you need alpha then fine, but PNG-8 should definitely be the first thing to consider.

[Dieter Schneider]

Firstly, an image isn't CSS.
Secondly, IE handles PNG fine. It's PNG-24's alpha channel it can't handle. As I've said multiple times on the forum already, PNG-8 works just fine under IE6. PNG-8 will be displayed with boolean transparency in IE6 and can be enhanced with full-fledged alpha transparency in more capable browsers. If you need alpha then fine, but PNG-8 should definitely be the first thing to consider.

No it's not css but it's an important part of the layout. Of course png-8 works, but they do not look good if you want some nice transparent stuff.

[Tarvalon]

If I understand things correctly, IE6 can handle alpha transparencies on PNG-8's as well, but photoshop just doesn't generate the alpha transparency except on PNG-24's. If you create your transparent image and save it out as a PNG-8 in Fireworks, you're good to go. Or maybe I'm misremembering - let me know.

[Parallax]

I write cross-browser CSS (not hacks), and yes, I definitely support IE6. I will support any browser that my clients request, any browser that my users use - Why wouldn't you?